Both of these predators lived in every ocean of the world, which were much warmer at the time. If megalodons are 60ft on average, and you go by the biggest example of all time with like 80ft, you should do the same with the whales, what would make them 50ft. Until 2008 it was thought that Meg was the biggest, baddest thing in the prehistoric sea. But, if we think of real life, not just them being put in an underwater ring, then the whale would win. Before the megalodon could engage the biting sperm whale's fins or fluke tip, the whale has done the entire job of grabbing a string of chunks of the shark flesh, or simply clashing the shark in his belly or head, leading internal bleeding or lethal damage … A smart man will lose to a trained, strong man. A(z) "Megalodon vs whale" című videót "grande71" nevű felhasználó töltötte fel a(z) "zene" kategóriába. That would actually mean Livyatan was heavier because it had bones rather than cartilage for a skeleton. plus the megalodon had hard skin and it would have been hard for a Livyatan to penetrate it. ^ Book Who Would Win Killer Whale Vs Great White Shark ^ Uploaded By Robin Cook, the killer whale has a huge jaw with about fifty teeth each almost four inches long but if the killer whale loses a tooth it will never grow back the great white shark on the other hand has several rows of razor sharp teeth and it can lose more than … @Nat you are mostly correct. In fact humpback whales, which are only 40 ft compared to 52 for an average bull sperm whale, have been recorded fighting off orcas[3]and even preventing orcas from eating dead grey whales. so it really is 50/50 but I like whales so livyatan, I like megalodons and they are cool. According to the eq system caribou are smarter than pigs and elephants, monkeys are smarter than orangutans, wildebeest are smarter than hippos and pigs/warthogs, dolphins=1% less than humans and whales=cows. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. No matter how you spell it, leviathan is a word that describes this monster quite accurately. not to mention livyatan was smarter AND WOULD OUTSMART THE SHARK. Livyatan wins but both animals are equally awesome. Oh and to livyatan meg is right they were both 18 metres(60 feet). Now we've cleared that up, here's the verdict: The male Livyatan wins owing to its significant size advantage. "Livyatan probably had a pod of up to around 5-20 whales much like modern pods.". shark, it can equip up to 3 pets at a time and can break purple crystal walls. Megalodon teeth=7 inches. meg is not bigger it is 18 meters and leviathan is 18 meters and its teeth would sink in and kill meg. Livyatan was a massive raptorial whale with the largest functional teeth ever known, some measuring over a foot long. Some have claimed it could kill an adult blue whale in 2 bites. This may or may not be a stomp thread. 3. "10T": man, realize that the bite of the livyathan has never been studied, as well as the sperm whale which is potentially estimated as the most powerful bite currently. The great white on the same plane of depth as that prey, will attack directly by the jaw and several times if the prey can repel it (it is the case of the orca by proportion or of the pilot whale). Some animals, such as elephants, have longer tusks, but Livyatan’s teeth were built for action. Livyatan had intelligence (which doesn't matter if the shark ambushes it). In the instance of a fight between a full-grown male of the former and a full-grown female of the latter though, I think given what we know about modern sharks and whales in almost all instances, Livyatan wins, barring poor health or a preexisting injury that would compromise its ability to overcome Meg. In other words, while sperm whales are a bit more intelligent than great whites, they're not nearly as intelligent as truly intelligent animals. "50 km / h": Livyathan's speed was never estimated, we can just deduce it and +50 km / h is quite likely. being more agile it would probably be able to quickly go underneath the megalodon and ram it leaving the shark temporarily immobilized and when it bit him it would be all over as the large teeth livyatan would penetrate the belly and kill the megaolodon. This concludes that the megalodon will 100% dominate the battle. livyatan had a bite force of 21000 psi. For comparison, I've found encephalization quotient values of 2.2-2.5 for chimpanzees, 2.57-3.3 for orcas, various values ranging from 4.14 to 5.31 for bottlenose dolphins and 7.4-7.8 for humans. livayatan would win because it has the biggest teeth of all animals and intelligent than all ocean predator. This is a straight-up fight, no hunt or stand-off involved. cetaceans are smart while working together and can flip over and paralyze a megalodon, or bite the megalodons vulnerable underbelly. cryptid (author) from USA on August 17, 2019: @PeteD - That is an extremely well-researched comment. Once they became bigger, faster and able to go to colder climates megalodon and Livyatan went extinct so in the evolutionary battle the true winner are modern whales who won just by moving to the Artic. According to the encephalization quotient(eq) system for determining intelligence, whales dumb dolphins smart. However it got it done, this massive whale was a king in the ancient ocean, with the size and weaponry necessary to take on any adversary. Megalodon for me. These are the kind of creatures that have spawned myth and legend since mankind first went into the water. Sperm whales have been known to kill giant and colossal squid[4] and are not scavenging them because there are marks on cachlots(sperm whales) from the battle. Leviathan would come up with plan b -even assuming plan a failed. So, in conclusion, I believe that if megalodon sneak attacked a whale, and bit it one time, the whale would not die from the first bite, and it would take several to kill the whale. Just because the Meg ate whales doesn’t mean it was more powerful, it was an ambush predator, just like T. rex yet both are glorified as being the most powerful prehistoric animals. Megalodon or Livyatan? The leviathan uses simple charge tactics, this puts it in a playdown level. Megalodon had its bite force (which is useless if it doesn't get to bite the whale). According to the eq system caribou and hippos are smarter than whales. Ask any whale or hippo researcher and they will not agree. Its teeth were almost twice the size of Megalodon’s, and if it was like whales of today it was a more agile swimmer. shark's under belly is its weakness. After all they are above your average IQ animals. but it is not always matter the number of livyatans that it takes win but the fact that the livyatan can dive to deeper depths due to thick blubber and jet the upper hand on an attack both animals could most certainly kill each other in one bite. However, in marine mammals, we do not have this same observation, because there is not this factor weight / expenditure so important, moreover, if we take cacholot, having a slower metabolism to live under a great pressure to low temperature, it is still capable of reaching 40 km / h in peak, while the Lyviathan, an active surface predator, like the orca, could reach very high speed (+50 km / h surely) . Megalodon, even though Livyatan was smarter, and both 60ft, Megalodon was faster, and had a stronger bite force. The animal faced competition from whale-eating cetaceans, such as Livyatan and other macroraptorial sperm whales and possibly … Especially with presumably superior manueveribilty, the whale may have evaded the shark's straight-ahead speed with a sneaky nudge to turn its adversary over and paralyze it. However, many other whales are only averagely intelligent for mammals and not much more intelligent than great whites. In 2015 a small juvenile 18m 30 ton blue whale was attacked, and it took 35 killer whales 17 hours to severely injure it, and they didn't even succeed in killing it. Not really. Sure its a guranteed kill with a bite that could crush a car, but remember that livyatan also has an instakilling bite, so all it matters is who attacks first. While we can assume that full-on fighting wasn’t in the best interest of either creature and probably occurred very rarely, the nod seems to go to Megalodon in this case. A genus of ancient whale called Cetotherium would have been a target for both Megalodon and Livyatan. So who was king of the ancient ocean, the true apex predator of the Miocene? Numbers are really against the meg here... Meg is not that much larger than a Killer whale, plus the whales are on a whole different level of intelligence than the shark, and there are 25 of them. This would leave the megalodon totally out of it's depth (pun intended) and it would be taken out quickly. A orca not orcas can kill any great white it runs into and has time after time so if it favors the killer whale like some other sites have said it would be no different, Livyatan is a sperm whale megalodon is a shark eatimg whale megalodon sometimes wins but livyatan sometimes wins too. I can’t find a single source on the internet that says how thick it is besides some guy claiming it’s skin is 39 inches thick making it immune to explosive harpoons and torpedos which is obviously incorrect because there’s no reason for skin to be 39 inches long if the biggest teeth that existed in your era are only 13 inches long. although shark can't do anything when they are flipped over but remember, Meg is way weighter than leviathan, so leviathan has no chance to flip Meg over before it ripped in piece by Megalodon. Speed is a sharks specialty. They preyed on huge whales, dolphins, porpoises, pinnipeds, giant sea turtles, sharks and probably anything else they came across. Everyone is biased towards the meglodon because of the human's natural fear of sharks. Thanks for participating in the discussion! I am aware that megalodon is faster but sharks aren’t built for long distance swimming while whales are. GREAT WHITE SHARK VS KILLER WHALE - Who is the real apex predator? Megalodon Vs Orca [Killer Whale]: Who Would Win? Although Livayatan was a dangerous bounty, Megalodon preyed on similar whales regularly. The answer simply may be that large predators have a more difficult time adapting to changing conditions, particularly where their food sources are involved. But lets say they collided head on. I just absolutly love how everyone declares megalodon winner solely because of its bite force. It would be a close fight as they are the same size and preyed on similarly sized and in some cases the same animals. while livyatan was maybe only about 10 km slower but the whale was about 3 times as intelligent, The Livyathan Melvillei was not bigger then the Megalodon they were the same. Me want lunch! It had the biggest teeth of any animal to ever live at over a foot long. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Of course, this is only speculation, but there is some precedent for modern whales ramming and sinking whaling ships. Sperm whales cruise at 15 mph while great white sharks go 21 mph[2] minimum So megalodon takes this. Megaladon estimated on average 60 feet, and 20 tons. Neither sperm whales nor great white shark sharks are apex predators as both are preyed on by orcas. These fearsome predators shared the same ocean during the same time period and were likely well acquainted with each other. I would say comparing them are not fair, because it's too easy for a Meg to kill the leviathan. However, there is one thing you said that I believe to be incorrect: “In case one, the first attack of the megalodon could be fatal for any type of cetacean, but not in the case of lyviathan or sperm whale because of its layer of skin and fat reducing the impact.”. numbers will always win. meg can grow up to 18 meters and 60tonnes. Killer whales are bigger, stronger, faster, more agile, and smarter than the great white so they win because they have all the advantages plus killer whales are not actually whales but more like oversized dolphins so that's why they also have the agility advantage. This last is not an insignificant advantage. So, what do you think? Intelligence is more of a factor when it comes to fights with multiple opponents, but even then sheer brute force still comes out on top. Anything below like 5 or 6 would be a megaladon wins EASILY. A single orca would be capable of killing or at least contending with a fully grown female(females are actually bigger unlike in tooth whales)great white shark. In terms of total sizing (which is a pretty good way to determine matchups in the natural world) you get 58,000 lbs vs 60,000 lbs, giving Megalodon a very slender advantage. It’s interesting to imagine these two incredible prehistoric sea creatures squaring off in an epic battle, and if we were around back then we may have seen it. This is the toughest match-up to call. Sperm whales versus killer whales – Indian Ocean. It also would have possessed much greater intelligence than Megalodon. It all depends whether the megalodon or the Livyatan as either young or just flat out small or if one had a physical disability or if either one had fought or not. and leviathan will sink in its teeth in Megalodon. But why did these monsters die off when other sea creatures of the same time flourished? Considering megalodon preferred smaller whales, it is likely it would be difficult for it to catch the greater whale species. sharks are stupid whales are not. But of the two massive animals, the killer whale may be the more formidable one, a new study has found. Livyatan is related to the sperm whale which has the thickest skin of any animal alive today meaning it will be hard for megalodon to penetrate its blubber. Livyatan win the livyatan is a killer whale and the megalodon a greate white shark a killer whale os stornger, I think Livyatan Melvillei will win because they were so huge and teeth are bigger than megalodon and they were more intelligent than megalodon so 100% Livyatan Melvillei win this battle, Leviathan wins... Just like killer whales and large sharks today, I belive the Levyathan wins because we don't know if I'd lived in pods, so if it did megalodon would become lunch, Megalodon was not built like a normal shark and was more robust than the whale so o voted megalodon, megalodon wins the match pretty easy had alot more teeth, kinda 15-18 cm long it had 276 teeth and strongest bite force of al, animals ever lived 41.000 pounds that around 19 tons but the livyatan whale had twice bigger teeth megalodon was faster with 70 kmh and megalodon also had a thick body so it can take a hit mabye megalodon would go for his flippers first so -1 flipper almost impossible to run from megalodon and he also need to breath he need to go up to breath so it would drown and megalodon had a good lunch in my opinion :}. Fin, blue, sei, southern right, bowhead, and possibly humpback whales could all probably survive a single bite from a megalodon. So yes, whales and elephants are in the same league as dolphins in intelligence. the whale need air and while the whale have air,megalodon bite it body and then the whale tries to attack but it was too late.The whale sink and die. 50 50 to me. No Thats 25 times heavier than the average killer, with 15 foot jaws sufficient enough to bite even the largest orca in half..they arent gonna win this. Whales are pretty fast too. They are apex predators of their time . In a one-on-one fight, that intelligence advantage wouldn't count for much. So based on this I’m pretty sure we can conclude a victory for Livyatan the majority of the time. This match up is similar to a man with an anti-tank weapon against an armored vehicle. ummmm wahw they have the same length and weight 50 and 50 tonnes. Still, at over 60 feet long and perhaps weighing as much as 100 tons it was the biggest and most dangerous shark that ever lived. First their large size and ability to out run their prey (at least for short bursts) allows killer whales to both surprise their prey and flee from potential attacks before the great white can … Various reports of the beast have come out in modern times, including alleged recent sightings in the Sea of Cortez. Megalodon uses its teeth which are sharp like a sword(i know swords are better in most situations but only cause it’s fast to parry but a shark can’t parry a whales blowing I’m only comparing the offensive capabilities because you can’t block with teeth or tails). the leviathans intellect will only drive its instinct to run away, which it will fail miserably because of the megalodons speed. therefore It can not really be said whom would win. Livyatan hunted closer to the surface of the water so would be faster. Let's call it a draw. This means megalodon won’t be able to penetrate the sperm whales or livyatans armor. Oh I forgot it says no links because it promotes other sites. So, they changed the name to the Hebrew spelling. Megalodon young would have lived in shark nurseries closer to the shore where they’d be safer, and adults would have hunted in deeper water. Megaladon estimated on average 60 feet, and 20 tons. But don’t count Livyatan out. I haven't been able to find anything that says whether the skull belonged to a male or female Livyatan, so I guess that's unknown, but I'm going to assume that it was a male Livyatan and that male and female Livyatans were similar in size to modern male and female sperm whales, respectively. "Deep Sea Killers" is the fifth episode of Jurassic Fight Club. Cetaceans rival apes and elephants in intelligence[1], and while sharks are smart for fish, they still are less intelligent than Livyatan, but in a direct fight with no prep, intelligence doesn’t really help as if they could actually use all their intelligence in this hypothetical situation then the loser would anticipate who would win and flee. A large meg is 18 m long and 75 tons. Some of the arguments in the comments seem to be based on false assumptions: "I think Leviathan wins due to present day evidence of similar interactions between great whites and orcas.". That’s the best joke I’ve ever heard in my life. When it comes to the battle between killer whales and great white sharks the killer whale is the clear winner for a number of reasons. If Megalodon was just as vulnerable to being turned over as is the modern great white, Livyatan with its superior intellect (and by extension, presumably at least a modicum social skills, even among a primarily solitary species) would likely have exploited that and have shared that tactic among individuals. The whale-period! A single orca has never killed a sperm whale. Granted livyatan is smarter than the megalodon but they have the same size and strenght and the megalodon is faster and more agile. But, the megalodon's bite force is the strongest ever. The megalodon is an ambush predator like the great white shark, and from what we know, the great white shark, if the animal is similar in size or 2/3 its size (and depending on the angle), it will instinctively opt for a first attack aimed at knocking out or fracturing its prey in order to avoid potential unnecessary injury, the second attack will be less frontal and direct. Like any other !! Megalodon has 180kn bite force. Frankly this is a mismatch and should be locked. either of these relatives both work in pods for self defense. While that is 2 inches less thick than the blubber of a sperm whale, it is still thicker than Megalodons teeth are long. Again I don’t think it’s going to one or the other in every encounter but I’d put my money on the predatory whale. So who would have been the top predator of the ancient oceans? Livyatan would win.The Meg was 40-60 ft, Livyatan was 40-60 ft so they were the same size. Using the killer whale and great white argument is wrong. Megalodon would have been plenty intelligent enough to know how and when to dodge, lunge and bite, even if a group of them wouldn't have been able to mount a coordinated attack. Close to the waves, even a massive adult whale would have been easy prey for the stealthy shark. Modern sperm whales hold their breath for over an hour while hunting, and I seriously doubt that a fight would last that long. After the dinosaurs went extinct, 65 million years ago, the biggest animals on earth were confined to the world's oceans—as witness the 50-foot-long, 50-ton prehistoric sperm whale Leviathan (also known as Livyatan) and the 50-foot-long, 50-ton Megalodon, by far the biggest shark that ever lived. Growing to nearly 60 feet long and weighing up to 50 tons, this was a whale to be reckoned with. it will probably bite off megs gills and meg wil be a dead fish... leviathan has 2 times bigger teeth and its smarter. These whales grew to about 15 feet in length and weighed around a ton. Even better. Let's see how this goes. While livyatan had a good brain. They're close in size and both solitary animals, so this would be a close one. This is like asking if 25 Super Middle Weight Boxers can take on 1 Cruiser weight Boxer. To go along with its 7-inch serrated teeth, it had the strongest bite force of any animal ever known and was much more powerful than even the biggest dinosaurs. Also megalodon had exposed body parts like the gills. Picture a Great White Shark, except three times as large, and you get some idea of what Megalodon would have been like. The reason Livyatan would win wasn’t because of its intelligence or agility but because of its blubber and ram. Dolphins, including large dolphins like killer whales and pilot whales that confusingly have the word "whale" in their English names, are highly intelligent. It is reddish with white patterns unlike its enemy counterparts. Just as orcas do to great whites. I don’t see how intelligence will be the most important factor. The modern sperm whale, fin whale, blue whale, Sei whale, Triassic kraken, pliosaurus and colossal squid could all beat the megalodon. there isn't an accurate way to record speed or maneuverability but judging from modern cetaceans the livyatan might have out maneuvered the megalodon. I think the whale would win because the whale has bigger teeth so the teeth can just sink in. cryptid (author) from USA on June 18, 2020: @Livyatan will win - That is one of the most well-thought-out responses I've ever had on one of my articles. I was lowballing the whales size and high balling the shark to show that it stood no chance. Megalodon really only knew 3 words. The leviathan’s bite force is mike tyson’s punch while the megalodon’s is mikes bite. The leviathan however has intellect that the megalodon does not posses. Some have claimed that whales are only slightly smarter than sharks and aren’t as intelligent as actual exceptionally intelligent animals like dolphins. During gold rush, its points multiplier is 8X. But Livyatan May have won. We have no complete fossils of either and can only make guesses. Megalodon vs blue whale size The question should rather be “how smaller is a Megalodon to a blue whale?” the biggest size of a Megalodon has always been a topic of discourse because they did not possess skeletons hence making it quite difficult for scientists to decipher. There is some debate over whether it is closely related to the Great White, or whether it was the last in a lineage of giant toothed sharks. At lengths of up to 60 ft. long the Megalodon would be twice as large as the killer whale (one of the only cetaceans known to hunt and kill sharks and other marine mammals). With such a command over the ancient oceans, it seems unfathomable that these huge creatures would have somehow met their ends, but a changing climate proved too much for them. The meg must bite off the fins to win which can only be done in an ambush. It is also quite possible I could be wrong, as you seem to be quite knowledgeable about megalodon and Livyatan, more so than me. meg can't just cut leviathan in half it depends on teeth. If this prehistoric saga Megalodon, then he might stand a chance (especially if he's going all out). My bad. I say its 50/50 who knows? Baboons have high intelligence, yet are preyed upon by leopards so intelligence wont be the deciding factor. I don,t think the megalodon lose because the megalodon is bigger.P.S. the killer whales have hunted sperm whales, a sperm whale eats a megalodon as a snack. :) ^-^ and meg is not smart so yeah. The Combatants: Megalodon VS 100 Orcas Rules: Megalodon is 60 feet in length. After realizing 100 ft cetaceans have bigger brains than 6 ft tall ape, we came up with the eq system. Meg's bite force is almost equal to the weight of leviathan. meg is a piece of rubbish to a leviathan. 3. If an orca pod shows up in an area all sharks immediately flee. For the aforementioned reasons, I believe that in real life, the whale would win. Otherwise it would probably lose. they are idiots. So, depending on the circumstances, it’s easy to see each of these monsters getting the better of the other. Megalodon bit the tales and fins of its prey instead of biting it directly because it can’t penetrate its blubber. If livyatan were to damage them the shark would be doomed. First let me explain how the eq system came to be. lol, spite thread, killer whales have nothing on a megalodon. Finback whales are said to be known as the greyhound of the sea because of their speed. Great Whites can be considered prey of Orca Whales, even though I believe that a Great White could we in s fight against an Orca if it's alone. they have the same size and weight so its basically orca vs great white so whale wins. The researchers who discovered Livyatan first named it Leviathan, but then realized that name had already been used to describe another animal. 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